You know what strikes me as unfortunate about these tribute pieces you do. The fact that your "tribute" piece probably pulls in more exposure and reaps all the benefits of a nice design at the expense of the other designer. (who's work often get's overlooked)
@Tony Lane Just want to say... I respect your criticism, work and you as an individual. I want start by saying that I ask the designer first. I want to have their approval before I even make anything. Secondly, I show them what I am making so that they approve what I am making. My intentions is in my tribute shots is to support people that I admire and appericate. @Adam Grason is a good friend, an amazing designer and a hard worker. I feel sometimes his work is unrecognized or unappreciated. I feel that most designers don't get recognized for their hard work in how good their work is. At the end of the day this is all in good fun and to show that I support them and their work. That is all I have to say on this matter. Cheers.
As long as the door above has been opened, I'd like to voice my opinion on this, as I've seen this sort of dialogue before.
While I completely understand @Tony Lane on the position of lifting other people's work - which could easily be criminal - I also am not certain that the similarity between the skulls would have been significantly noted unless the connection to Adam's work had been made in the first place.
I find that all too often designers and artists struggle to find the line between what is original and what has been taken from someone, somewhere else. To me, sometimes it is obvious, and in which case - unethical. However most of the time I don't find similarities in treatments of the same object or aesthetic to be problematic. If a skull is drawn in a realist style would you condemn the artist who drew it for having drawn it just as another realist had before? Is the above treatment of a skull simply a style? And if so - is Slater's enough of a deviation that it is thus removed from the original?
Claiming a design is one thing - and usually legitimized within practical reason. Claiming a style - well that's something that not one of us here would dare do, I think ;)
All the same - I raise my comments not because I have a clear opinion on the matter, especially now that we've learned that Slater and Grason are amigos, but more because I think this question - especially within such close quarters as the Dribbble community - is an interesting one.
@Jonathan Schubert@Tony Lane I do understand what you have said. I think the main point is that my work has overshadow @Adam Grason work. Which was NEVER my intention. Although there is different similarities... I think the problem that although it was my purest intentions to support, promote and give respect to Adam. It was a failed flattery that was basically to others was non intentional one up. For that to me is the biggest disappointment. I basically made something with out fully understanding my consequences of how it would affect someone that is good a friend. To disappoint and let down a friend is what hurts the most. On the other side to "piss" people off is just as terrible and a terrible side to be on. Which I am not trying to but, because I have... I think I deserve that for my actions. I accept full responsibility and that I apologize for my actions. All, I can do is try to fix my mistakes but, only time will tell right?
I think your humility is a virtuous thing - but for the record I personally don't think you did anything wrong. I saw this thread and wanted to make use of this situation to frame the general question that seems to have been raised many times elsewhere. As far as I'm concerned you can't please everyone - and you obviously didn't offend the man whose work you were paying tribute to...so...everyone else can just...get over it :) Cheers, all around.
@Jonathan Schubert Maybe I didn't and thank you for the kind words but, I still don't think it was fair for Adam. It is what it is and regardless, I support Adam and his work. This is certainly a good learning experience and next time I will think more carefully about my actions.
I think it's pretty clear in the description that Nick had praised @Adam and wanted others to recognize his work. Complaining about Nick's larger following or overshadowing only distorts the attention from @Adam which makes Nick's kind and innocent gesture, meaningless. Especially after reading through the comments.
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Nick Slater
This is for Adam... since he is such a bad ass designer! Please, go support Adam and his amazing work!
9 months ago
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Mike Mangigian
This is a really nice improvement over the rebounded one, very nice
9 months ago
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Jeremy Vessey
Love the black one!
9 months ago
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Jeremy Teff
The black one is legit.
9 months ago
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Pavlov Visuals
Digging that compass!
9 months ago
loving that K!
9 months ago
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Marian Pop
Great work. Love the right one more. Cheers Nick.
9 months ago
Lovely K. The compass illustration is beautiful as well. Well done!
9 months ago
Love it man!
9 months ago
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Helder Oliveira
I´ll take the black to but all of them are great!
9 months ago
I LOVE the fact that the skull can have it's eyes closed!
9 months ago
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Andrew Terpening
Dude, great stuff! I was just looking for a new piece from ya! You didn't disappoint, as usual, @Nick!
9 months ago
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Rich Scott
Sweeeet as usual Nick!
9 months ago
Love it Nick!
9 months ago
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OlegZ
@Andrew Colin Beck dont be silly, skulls dont' have eyes!
9 months ago
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Kurt Emch
Pretty Badass I must say.
9 months ago
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Anthony Lane
You know what strikes me as unfortunate about these tribute pieces you do. The fact that your "tribute" piece probably pulls in more exposure and reaps all the benefits of a nice design at the expense of the other designer. (who's work often get's overlooked)
9 months ago
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Nick Slater
@Tony Lane Just want to say... I respect your criticism, work and you as an individual. I want start by saying that I ask the designer first. I want to have their approval before I even make anything. Secondly, I show them what I am making so that they approve what I am making. My intentions is in my tribute shots is to support people that I admire and appericate. @Adam Grason is a good friend, an amazing designer and a hard worker. I feel sometimes his work is unrecognized or unappreciated. I feel that most designers don't get recognized for their hard work in how good their work is. At the end of the day this is all in good fun and to show that I support them and their work. That is all I have to say on this matter. Cheers.
9 months ago
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Jonathan Schubert
As long as the door above has been opened, I'd like to voice my opinion on this, as I've seen this sort of dialogue before.
While I completely understand @Tony Lane on the position of lifting other people's work - which could easily be criminal - I also am not certain that the similarity between the skulls would have been significantly noted unless the connection to Adam's work had been made in the first place.
I find that all too often designers and artists struggle to find the line between what is original and what has been taken from someone, somewhere else. To me, sometimes it is obvious, and in which case - unethical. However most of the time I don't find similarities in treatments of the same object or aesthetic to be problematic. If a skull is drawn in a realist style would you condemn the artist who drew it for having drawn it just as another realist had before? Is the above treatment of a skull simply a style? And if so - is Slater's enough of a deviation that it is thus removed from the original?
Claiming a design is one thing - and usually legitimized within practical reason. Claiming a style - well that's something that not one of us here would dare do, I think ;)
All the same - I raise my comments not because I have a clear opinion on the matter, especially now that we've learned that Slater and Grason are amigos, but more because I think this question - especially within such close quarters as the Dribbble community - is an interesting one.
9 months ago
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Nick Slater
@Jonathan Schubert @Tony Lane I do understand what you have said. I think the main point is that my work has overshadow @Adam Grason work. Which was NEVER my intention. Although there is different similarities... I think the problem that although it was my purest intentions to support, promote and give respect to Adam. It was a failed flattery that was basically to others was non intentional one up. For that to me is the biggest disappointment. I basically made something with out fully understanding my consequences of how it would affect someone that is good a friend. To disappoint and let down a friend is what hurts the most. On the other side to "piss" people off is just as terrible and a terrible side to be on. Which I am not trying to but, because I have... I think I deserve that for my actions. I accept full responsibility and that I apologize for my actions. All, I can do is try to fix my mistakes but, only time will tell right?
9 months ago
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Jonathan Schubert
I think your humility is a virtuous thing - but for the record I personally don't think you did anything wrong. I saw this thread and wanted to make use of this situation to frame the general question that seems to have been raised many times elsewhere. As far as I'm concerned you can't please everyone - and you obviously didn't offend the man whose work you were paying tribute to...so...everyone else can just...get over it :) Cheers, all around.
9 months ago
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Nick Slater
@Jonathan Schubert Maybe I didn't and thank you for the kind words but, I still don't think it was fair for Adam. It is what it is and regardless, I support Adam and his work. This is certainly a good learning experience and next time I will think more carefully about my actions.
9 months ago
I think it's pretty clear in the description that Nick had praised @Adam and wanted others to recognize his work. Complaining about Nick's larger following or overshadowing only distorts the attention from @Adam which makes Nick's kind and innocent gesture, meaningless. Especially after reading through the comments.
9 months ago