take it easy skins factory. she's not using it for anything other than a fun dribbble rebound. she obviously isn't claiming it as her own. i'm sure the majority of the imagery for all these shots came from google images.
if someone used an image i owned for an interesting and community driven activity like this i would be flattered and happy.
She never claimed it was her illustration, and she's not profiting from it, so I doubt she's infringing on any copyright law.
Plus she could very easily claim fair use in 2 cases...
1) One could argue dribbble is an educational site where designers can collaborate and learn, and this was simply an exercise in typography/illustration use and she uploaded it so others could benefit as well
2) She modified it enough so that it is now an original creation
@fredyates @PhilDeuchler - Thanks guys for having my back. I couldn't have said it better myself. I agree 100% with everything you both said.
@TheSkinsFactory - I think you might be blowing things out of proportion a little bit. I not an Illustrator or claiming to have created this illustration, but merely using it for typographic/experimental purposes. If you look at all of the rebounds from the shot this is from, you'd see that everyone pretty much used a photograph or illustration of the state they're from. And I would bet that almost every one of those images were not taken by the individual who uploaded them. Relax.
I deleted my comment because you guys are part of the "entitled" crowd who thinks they can take whatever the hell they want and post it. What's the matter Allison, you're not good enough to create something from scratch? I even "liked"this because 1. I'm from Florida and 2. Because I thought it was your art. Then i realized you didn't make it.
Jeff Schader. That's my name. If you're ever in South Florida and want to talk about this in person, I'd be happy to accommodate you.
And yeah it's very arrogant of me to have professional ethics when it comes to art. Like not taking things that don't belong to me and posting without permission. For whatever reason.
A community of artists should be the first line of defense against copyright infringement of other artists' work. Many times at deviantART, the community has banded together to go after websites that were stealing artists' work and posting it without permission. Here people are like "fuck it she isn't make any profit from it". That's not the point. The point is artists get ripped off all the time. They're not supposed to be the ones doing it. If that means I'm arrogant so be it.
Is that a "meet me at the flagpole at 3" threat? Hilariously pathetic, Jeff.
It's the commentary that you leave that makes your arrogance abundantly clear.
Ethics are inherently subjective. I welcome my peers to re-purpose my art, especially in the act of artistic exploration. None of this is commercial work, hell, it's not even work.
There are lines, and none of them were crossed.
Lighten up, trolling isn't exactly how you make friends.
Actually Morgan, it was a if you want to talk about it in person I'd be happy to. In response to the "hiding behind a pseudonym comment". It was also a response to you saying basically i'm hiding behind the internet. Trust me, I don't have a problem saying the same things to you in person. I'm not some kid in his basement hiding behind a keyboard.
If you notice on my twitter account my real name is there. They just don't use user names and real names here.
Laws aren't subjective. Ethics based on laws aren't subjective. Now the fact that you want to freely give your peers the ability to do whatever they want with your art is admirable. Nice even. However, taking art that you have no idea where its from and whether or not that artist feels exactly the same way as you do - is wrong. Like i said odds are that piece is probably in the public domain but the consensus around here is as long as you don't make a profit from it, it's okay to take other people's work. That's wrong.
@Allison this shot is AWESOME. I LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT! I also googled this image for my rebound: http://drbl.in/70359. I should have photoshopped one of @The Skins Factory's Windows Media Player in my hands instead of the iphone on @VinThomas' image: http://twitpic.com/30tbdx :-)
Allison, as a fellow Floridian... i'm proud of your shot. i love the type that you've done.
much like Duchamp, you've made this piece (while in no way claiming to be the originator of original art work) your own in order to create a simple statement: "hi, from florida"
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Allison Grayce
Hello from Florida, the Sunshine State!
over 2 years ago
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Conway Anderson
Nice illustration. Where is that from?
over 2 years ago
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Allison Grayce
My good friend, Google! Not sure who illustrated it, unfortunately!
over 2 years ago
Oh how I sometimes miss you Florida! : )
over 2 years ago
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The Skins Factory
Why are you uploading art that doesn't belong to you? Ever heard of copyright infringement?
Based on your response when asked "where is that from?" and you replied: "Google! Not sure who illustrated it, unfortunately!"
over 2 years ago
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Fred Yates
take it easy skins factory. she's not using it for anything other than a fun dribbble rebound. she obviously isn't claiming it as her own. i'm sure the majority of the imagery for all these shots came from google images.
if someone used an image i owned for an interesting and community driven activity like this i would be flattered and happy.
over 2 years ago
She never claimed it was her illustration, and she's not profiting from it, so I doubt she's infringing on any copyright law.
Plus she could very easily claim fair use in 2 cases...
1) One could argue dribbble is an educational site where designers can collaborate and learn, and this was simply an exercise in typography/illustration use and she uploaded it so others could benefit as well
2) She modified it enough so that it is now an original creation
over 2 years ago
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Cameron Moll
Way to represent, Allison. I needn't even bother trying.
over 2 years ago
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Allison Grayce
@fredyates @PhilDeuchler - Thanks guys for having my back. I couldn't have said it better myself. I agree 100% with everything you both said.
@TheSkinsFactory - I think you might be blowing things out of proportion a little bit. I not an Illustrator or claiming to have created this illustration, but merely using it for typographic/experimental purposes. If you look at all of the rebounds from the shot this is from, you'd see that everyone pretty much used a photograph or illustration of the state they're from. And I would bet that almost every one of those images were not taken by the individual who uploaded them. Relax.
over 2 years ago
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Allison Grayce
@cameronmoll - Thanks, Cameron! I forgot that you're a fellow Floridian! I think you "trying" would still be pretty awesome. :)
over 2 years ago
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The Skins Factory
And just because others are doing it that makes it okay for you to do it? What are you 10?
Update: I found it. Odds are it's in the public domain. Still you didn't know one way or the other, you just took it. http://www.digitaldeliftp.com/Recommendations/retro08.html
over 2 years ago
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Allison Grayce
Dude, what is your problem? Do you have nothing better to do with your time? Take your comments somewhere else. Your negativity isn't wanted here.
over 2 years ago
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Morgan Allan Knutson
LOL, this guy again.
Here's the original "holier than thou' ass-spew he typed out earlier, then removed.
http://grab.by/73mE
over 2 years ago
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The Skins Factory
I deleted my comment because you guys are part of the "entitled" crowd who thinks they can take whatever the hell they want and post it. What's the matter Allison, you're not good enough to create something from scratch? I even "liked"this because 1. I'm from Florida and 2. Because I thought it was your art. Then i realized you didn't make it.
FU Morgan.
over 2 years ago
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Morgan Allan Knutson
Hey tough guy internet policeman who hides behind a pseudonym, your arrogance supersedes any shred of talent that you may have.
There's a corner over there that you can cry in.
over 2 years ago
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The Skins Factory
Jeff Schader. That's my name. If you're ever in South Florida and want to talk about this in person, I'd be happy to accommodate you.
And yeah it's very arrogant of me to have professional ethics when it comes to art. Like not taking things that don't belong to me and posting without permission. For whatever reason.
A community of artists should be the first line of defense against copyright infringement of other artists' work. Many times at deviantART, the community has banded together to go after websites that were stealing artists' work and posting it without permission. Here people are like "fuck it she isn't make any profit from it". That's not the point. The point is artists get ripped off all the time. They're not supposed to be the ones doing it. If that means I'm arrogant so be it.
over 2 years ago
Nice shot, the type really fits with the picture. Ignore the idiot above me. :)
over 2 years ago
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Morgan Allan Knutson
Is that a "meet me at the flagpole at 3" threat? Hilariously pathetic, Jeff.
It's the commentary that you leave that makes your arrogance abundantly clear.
Ethics are inherently subjective. I welcome my peers to re-purpose my art, especially in the act of artistic exploration. None of this is commercial work, hell, it's not even work.
There are lines, and none of them were crossed.
Lighten up, trolling isn't exactly how you make friends.
over 2 years ago
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Morgan Allan Knutson
Shhh, don't tell anyone, but Allison is sharing the massive profits that she's amounting from this lucrative dribbble shot...with me.
over 2 years ago
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Morgan Allan Knutson
Just to archive this - http://grab.by/73pU
over 2 years ago
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The Skins Factory
Actually Morgan, it was a if you want to talk about it in person I'd be happy to. In response to the "hiding behind a pseudonym comment". It was also a response to you saying basically i'm hiding behind the internet. Trust me, I don't have a problem saying the same things to you in person. I'm not some kid in his basement hiding behind a keyboard.
If you notice on my twitter account my real name is there. They just don't use user names and real names here.
Laws aren't subjective. Ethics based on laws aren't subjective. Now the fact that you want to freely give your peers the ability to do whatever they want with your art is admirable. Nice even. However, taking art that you have no idea where its from and whether or not that artist feels exactly the same way as you do - is wrong. Like i said odds are that piece is probably in the public domain but the consensus around here is as long as you don't make a profit from it, it's okay to take other people's work. That's wrong.
over 2 years ago
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Fred Yates
feels like hackernews around here.
over 2 years ago
But I'm not in a basement, nor hiding. XD
over 2 years ago
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Ismael Burciaga
HAHA this is hilarious!
@Allison this shot is AWESOME. I LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT IT! I also googled this image for my rebound: http://drbl.in/70359. I should have photoshopped one of @The Skins Factory's Windows Media Player in my hands instead of the iphone on @VinThomas' image: http://twitpic.com/30tbdx :-)
over 2 years ago
Allison, as a fellow Floridian... i'm proud of your shot. i love the type that you've done.
much like Duchamp, you've made this piece (while in no way claiming to be the originator of original art work) your own in order to create a simple statement: "hi, from florida"
over 2 years ago