In terms of this shirt, and what the CEO said: l live by this credo "What other people think about you is none of your damn business" It helps me get through the day.
@Greg Cuellar Also something I try and do. Great point. I think, though, that there are chances for people to point out injustices to entire groups of people (and animals). We jumped on this one, and are happily nearing $600 in donations in just a few hours! High Five!
Well yeah. The point is, this guy shouldn't have said a thing about his feelings toward this group. Nobody needed to know. But the second he did, he opened himself up to all of this.
Whether you agree or not with Mr. Cathy on his stance regarding gay marriage, calling his organization and employees assholes because their world view differs from your own is both puerile and ignorant.
Of course you have every right to voice your opinion thanks to our founding fathers, and you have done so here in a nicely designed presentation, I might add. The trouble is that your efforts fall short when you realize that you are in fact attacking an individual or a group in the same way that Mr. Cathy is attacking an individual or group with his statements.
A better approach is to simply state that you disagree, and present your arguments as to that point. Inability to do this just leads to a shouting match which makes you no better than them.
@Brian Simpson I didn't even know they deleted comments on here... clearly you have experience in being a troll.
@Noah Stokes I appreciate the comment, but there are cases where a cause is so important, I think, that drawing attention using humor and parody, even if it uses the word asshole (which, if it offends anyone, they must not be able to watch television as our country is rapidly accepting much worse language!) is necessary. While I disagree with your "you're the same as them" sentiment, I appreciate that you are open to stating your thoughts like an adult! High five!
Nice design. Crazy though how Christians (not talking about westboro crazies) are considered as having hate when they believe in the biblical definition of marriage. That doesn't scream hate to me. I have quite a few gay friends that I treat with the utmost respect and love but they know how I feel. I don't force those feelings on them. Again, I haven't read the whole interview but if a 'Christian' believes in traditional biblical marriage, I don't see how that is anywhere near 'hatred'. I agree that there are a lot of Christians living double-standards in many areas of our lives, but hopefully (I am praying) that hatred isn't a commonality.
Agreed with @Noah Stokes. Nice design and illustration style, but I disagree with using hate to put out your view of hatred. I do however, love when people can present their sides of the arguments as adults and learn to love eachother in spite of those differences.
@Christopher Paul I mean in this in the most respectful way possible but, I bought the Millennium Falcon poster from you and never received it or the promised refund. Can you promise me that won't happen again so I know the money goes to charity and ill get this great shirt?
I apologize if I come off as an asshole, that was not my intention.
@Greg Cuellar said, "The point is, this guy shouldn't have said a thing about his feelings toward this group. Nobody needed to know."
Respectfully, Greg, I ask that you dwell on that statement for a little. Are you saying he has the right to hold to a belief, but not voice it in public?
Kudos to @Noah Stokes. Well said and respectful of both sides. But is Dribbble really the place for any of this? When you post something like this to promote your beliefs you open yourself to criticism regardless of whether you ask for feedback or not. Let's keep this place to "Show and tell for designers" No more, no less.
Respecting the rights of others to believe what they will doesn't mean you have to respect the actual beliefs. If there is no room for opinion and expression in design, innovation is dead.
@John Howard It's perfectly fine for an individual (or group) to believe in anything they want. That is not hatred. However, when that individual (or group) attempts to force that belief upon others, or prevent others from having or practicing their own beliefs (or support those that do), that's where the 'hate' comes into play.
@John Peele I see plenty of church designs and spiritual quotes and numerous comments that include peoples opinions and beliefs. They are rarely questioned or challenged. I think the point here is that we aren't afraid to open ourselves for criticism, because this is something we believe in. And like Alex said, design has always been about challenging the status quo, beliefs, religion, reinforcing religion, etc. If you took these things away, art would not exist now, nor would it have ever. Keeping Dribbble show and tell doesn't have to mean keeping it bland and boring. :) But appreciate the comment!
63 Responses (page 2 of 3)
In terms of this shirt, and what the CEO said: l live by this credo "What other people think about you is none of your damn business" It helps me get through the day.
10 months ago
Pro
Sarah Mick
@Greg Cuellar Also something I try and do. Great point. I think, though, that there are chances for people to point out injustices to entire groups of people (and animals). We jumped on this one, and are happily nearing $600 in donations in just a few hours! High Five!
10 months ago
Well yeah. The point is, this guy shouldn't have said a thing about his feelings toward this group. Nobody needed to know. But the second he did, he opened himself up to all of this.
10 months ago
Pro
Zach Graham
Even excluding the gay rights stuff, Chick-fil-a has a knack for being shitty. http://youtu.be/h_8UHX8FRGY
10 months ago
Loving this! Nice work.
10 months ago
Pro
James Finley
Showing them Christians how to hate with stronger words, I see.
10 months ago
Whether you agree or not with Mr. Cathy on his stance regarding gay marriage, calling his organization and employees assholes because their world view differs from your own is both puerile and ignorant.
Of course you have every right to voice your opinion thanks to our founding fathers, and you have done so here in a nicely designed presentation, I might add. The trouble is that your efforts fall short when you realize that you are in fact attacking an individual or a group in the same way that Mr. Cathy is attacking an individual or group with his statements.
A better approach is to simply state that you disagree, and present your arguments as to that point. Inability to do this just leads to a shouting match which makes you no better than them.
10 months ago
Pro
Brian Simpson
@Noah Stokes - watch your tongue, Noah. They delete your comments when you oppose them :) Agreed.
10 months ago
Pro
Sarah Mick
@Brian Simpson I didn't even know they deleted comments on here... clearly you have experience in being a troll.
@Noah Stokes I appreciate the comment, but there are cases where a cause is so important, I think, that drawing attention using humor and parody, even if it uses the word asshole (which, if it offends anyone, they must not be able to watch television as our country is rapidly accepting much worse language!) is necessary. While I disagree with your "you're the same as them" sentiment, I appreciate that you are open to stating your thoughts like an adult! High five!
10 months ago
Pro
Alex Rinker
Doesn't help that they are doing this: http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2012/07/chick-fil-a-is-making-fake-profiles-to-defend-them-now
10 months ago
Pro
John Howard
Nice design. Crazy though how Christians (not talking about westboro crazies) are considered as having hate when they believe in the biblical definition of marriage. That doesn't scream hate to me. I have quite a few gay friends that I treat with the utmost respect and love but they know how I feel. I don't force those feelings on them. Again, I haven't read the whole interview but if a 'Christian' believes in traditional biblical marriage, I don't see how that is anywhere near 'hatred'. I agree that there are a lot of Christians living double-standards in many areas of our lives, but hopefully (I am praying) that hatred isn't a commonality.
10 months ago
Pro
Jillian Adel
A new fast food place needs to open that serves waffle fries. It makes it REALLY hard to resist...
10 months ago
Pro
Rogie
Agreed with @Noah Stokes. Nice design and illustration style, but I disagree with using hate to put out your view of hatred. I do however, love when people can present their sides of the arguments as adults and learn to love eachother in spite of those differences.
P.S. I LOVE red shirts.
10 months ago
Pro
Joseph P. Albanese
@Christopher Paul I mean in this in the most respectful way possible but, I bought the Millennium Falcon poster from you and never received it or the promised refund. Can you promise me that won't happen again so I know the money goes to charity and ill get this great shirt?
I apologize if I come off as an asshole, that was not my intention.
10 months ago
@Greg Cuellar said, "The point is, this guy shouldn't have said a thing about his feelings toward this group. Nobody needed to know."
Respectfully, Greg, I ask that you dwell on that statement for a little. Are you saying he has the right to hold to a belief, but not voice it in public?
10 months ago
Never said he didn't have the right, just not the need. I don't need to eat chick-fil-a, but I have the right to. See the difference?
10 months ago
Pro
Marco Suarez
+1 @Noah Stokes !
10 months ago
Kudos to @Noah Stokes. Well said and respectful of both sides. But is Dribbble really the place for any of this? When you post something like this to promote your beliefs you open yourself to criticism regardless of whether you ask for feedback or not. Let's keep this place to "Show and tell for designers" No more, no less.
10 months ago
Pro
Evan Stremke
Can we all just agree that the food at Chick-fil-A is shitty?
10 months ago
Pro
Dave Rau
@Dave Whitley here's a list of the organizations: http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201207020001
10 months ago
Respecting the rights of others to believe what they will doesn't mean you have to respect the actual beliefs. If there is no room for opinion and expression in design, innovation is dead.
If it's good enough for Dennis Leary...
10 months ago
@John Howard It's perfectly fine for an individual (or group) to believe in anything they want. That is not hatred. However, when that individual (or group) attempts to force that belief upon others, or prevent others from having or practicing their own beliefs (or support those that do), that's where the 'hate' comes into play.
No hate here, just a comment.
Cool shirt, too. :-)
10 months ago
Pro
Sarah Mick
@Alex Toth Opinion and expression in design. You said it better than we tried to. Perfect!
10 months ago
Pro
Sarah Mick
@John Peele I see plenty of church designs and spiritual quotes and numerous comments that include peoples opinions and beliefs. They are rarely questioned or challenged. I think the point here is that we aren't afraid to open ourselves for criticism, because this is something we believe in. And like Alex said, design has always been about challenging the status quo, beliefs, religion, reinforcing religion, etc. If you took these things away, art would not exist now, nor would it have ever. Keeping Dribbble show and tell doesn't have to mean keeping it bland and boring. :) But appreciate the comment!
10 months ago
Bo Muller-Moore will certainly like this tee!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1674889308/a-defiant-dude
10 months ago