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Jesse Gardner
Working on a visual model to help explain the dynamics of human and divine relationships in our church.
over 1 year ago
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Nathan Smith
Nice. Only suggestion: Some gender inclusive language. (Wo-man)
over 1 year ago
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Jesse Gardner
Yeah, not a bad idea.
I guess my English degree is showing. I always argue that it's a collective word that includes all humankind, though I realize that opinion is becoming less and less popular. "Men and woman" is so wordy, "human" is too impersonal; we just need some short, poignant word that everyone knows means "an individual of no specific gender".
over 1 year ago
people
over 1 year ago
You could alternate between man and woman in the surrounding circles
over 1 year ago
Nice work.
over 1 year ago
Trevor's idea is good, especially because you have twelve individuals circling around God. (Btw, disciples?)
over 1 year ago
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Philip Renich
Was thinking what Trevor said as well
over 1 year ago
This is Cliche, but the God could do with some glow and the man could do with some imperfections. Right now they both have the same form, which is somehow not correct to me. Of course that could just be my religious beliefs.
@Trevor: How about Adam and Eve or Simply "Us" all around. Gives a more biblical touch to it.
over 1 year ago
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Maleika E. A.
I don't take offence to this, being female. I immediately understood this to mean "man", as in human being rather than the male gender.
Anyway, leaving content aside, I think this is a marvelous composition.
over 1 year ago
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Jesse Gardner
Sam: It's not exactly people. People is plural. And you can't really use person since God is also a person.
Trevor: Yeah, I'd thought of that, but it really distracts from the main point of the illustration, which is to help people understand that how we relate to each other has direct bearing on how we relate to God and vice versa.
Tuhin: It's funny you mention that; I actually tried it, but it ends up making an already complex illustration even more noisy. I settled for making the text for God white and the text for man black. I'm hoping that helps visually communicate the distinctions.
Maleika: Thank you for your kind words!
over 1 year ago
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Ryan Rushing
I'm not really sure what the main goal is here, but what if instead of using man and woman, you used something even more personal. Maybe things like - Child, Doctor, Swimmer, Plumber, Artist.
Then you can go even deeper and say things like Killer, Prostitute, Swindler, Porn Star, with the point being that everyone is a child of God.
That may take away from your main point and be too distracting, and if so my vote is to stick with "Man." :)
over 1 year ago
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Ryan Rushing
Also, I'm not sure if this was on purpose or purely from the subconscience, but nonetheless I love the fractal pattern you have going here. It absolutely correlates to this concept.
over 1 year ago
Follower. I know it might sound a bit cultish, but as a christian, I don't mind being a follower (to God). Though, I actually like "Man" better than any other suggestion here.
over 1 year ago
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Matthew Smith
@Jesse, poster? Plllleaeassaesee!!!
over 1 year ago
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Rogie
Jesse, how bout 'homosapien' — BTW, your work on this website is incredible. It's actually letting people know how truly awesome of a designer you really are.
over 1 year ago
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Chris Wallace!
Jesse, I think "mankind" is mostly inclusive and somewhat short enough to work.
over 1 year ago
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David
I actually think using 'Man' is appropriate. It reflects the misogyny entrenched in most of the Abrahamic cults.
over 1 year ago
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Rogie
Another thought: Dude and Dudedette.
over 1 year ago
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Jesse Gardner
Chris: Don't you run into the same problem? What about womankind? ;)
David: It's not a cult thing, it's an English thing. I guess you could call me pedantic... that or a Strunk-and-White Thumper. Take your pick.
over 1 year ago
I suppose the debate about whether to use "man" or not depends on your audience. If this is primarily aimed at seasoned church members, I would expect "man" to be perfectly acceptable. Many faiths refer to humankind simply as "man", particularly when differentiating from God, so for that audience, you'd be in good shape.
You really only get into trouble if this is aimed at visitors or others new to the church, who are likely more used to the politically-correct terms like "person". I've been involved with churches my entire life, so I can't speak from that perspective, but if that's not your audience, I wouldn't worry too much about it.
over 1 year ago
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Ryan Rushing
David, you are using too many $1 words for me to understand what you just said.
over 1 year ago
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Jeremy Koempel
What exactly is the purpose of this? To visually articulate to church goers what their relationship to the "devine" is? Good luck with that. Deciding between "man" and alternatives to the term won't help.
over 1 year ago
@Jesse
How about "us"?
over 1 year ago
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David
@Jesse, In my comment I was drawing a parallel between the misogyny of the English language and the misogyny entrenched in the Abrahamic religions. I wasn't necessarily implying any relationship between the two.
over 1 year ago