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In case you were wondering, Dribbble took this shot down because it was so offensive.
Here it is on my suggestions page (which still shows but doesn't have a direct link).
Should have mentioned that Jonathan was the designer of the original graphic: http://dribbble.com/jdmiller82
4 months ago
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Gregory Grigoriou
That's great!
4 months ago
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Rogie
@Stephen Hallgren Dribbble (as in the community) flagged it as inappropriate, not the Dribbble design team — just to be clear :)
4 months ago
I can see how some might thing this is clever irony. But this is just a straw man argument.
4 months ago
Yeah, but the Dribbble team actually removed it completely. It was showing up in my activity and the files themselves were there. They removed it totally from the site. The Dribbble team also has the right to not flag it. Regardless, it was censored.
4 months ago
@Yaron Schoen I'm not debating anything, just pointing out the obvious.
4 months ago
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Rogie
@Stephen Hallgren what do you mean, the Dribbble team? I think if it gets flagged enough (say 5 flags), its removed entirely from public view. Automagically.
4 months ago
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Ken Erickson
I think Dribbble has made it clear that they wont tolerate polarizing topics, political discussions etc. Some might see this as censorship but I simply see it as the way they keep the community focused on design. Most other design/dev sites have similar policies.
Lets all try to understand that Dribbble is just trying to foster the best community possible.
The beauty of the internet is that people can create communities that focus on specific things & keep the chaos out.
If you want to discuss politics there are communities for that; at dribbble we discuss design.
Perhaps disabling comments instead of deleting shots would be a better way too handle these things? If people wanted to discuss the shot they could, but elsewhere.
4 months ago
@Rogie For a while after it got "removed" I was still able to see it in my activity and could get to the original file. After I posted this (I had it linked to the original) they deleted every reference.
@Ken Erickson I can see what you are saying, thanks for that clarification.
4 months ago
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Rogie
@Stephen Hallgren as an avid Dribbble user, I've seen this happen (probably due to caching delays) before. Your shot is ironic (and a bit funny), but what I'm saying is the community deleted it by flagging, not Dan and Rich.
4 months ago
@Rogie yes, the community flagged it enough I should have been more broad in that regard.
My initial comment was stemming from the fact that I have never ever heard of a system (and never built one) where the post gets auto-deleted from the system when flagged too much. It usually goes into review (although hidden) and there are usually mechanisms for that flagging to be contested and re-shown if flagged in error.
Soooo, for the record, the Community removed the post from Dribbble.
4 months ago
@Jonathan Miller yup, I re-clarified what I said regarding "who" took it down. But to be honest, the difference is moot about who removed it, the point still stands.
4 months ago
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Dan Cederholm
Just to add some clarification, of course, we review any shot that's flagged, and/or removed. Jonathan's shot was removed because of multiple flaggings—we reviewed (as we always do) and agreed. It was disturbing and too graphic. The removal had zero to do with politics. For example, Jonathan's follow up shot, while flagged as well, will not be removed.
Dribbble isn't censoring shots, but those that are deemed too graphic will likely be removed. Again, it has nothing to do with politics or personal opinions.
4 months ago
@Dan Cederholm thanks for the clarification, I understand your point and it's a hard call. The part that is hard to see is how something graphic like that post is any more graphic than some of the ones posted here: http://dribbble.com/BrentEngstrom
4 months ago
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Dan Cederholm
@Stephen Hallgren Our systems aren't perfect. We rely on flaggings to alert us of what to review. With two people running the operation, there's bound to be shots that someone consider offensive out there that haven't been flagged.
Bottom line is, we're doing our best.
4 months ago
@Dan Cederholm keep doing your best and thanks for an awesome website!
4 months ago
Why should a shot get flagged because it's politically offensive? I suspect the flags had more to do with disagreement over abortion, not because the design itself was graphically offensive. I disagree with the community's reaction here.
4 months ago