Not totally unrelated: I am under the impression that an unusually large percentage of web designers from the U.S. and Canada are Christians who have at one point in their career designed at least one website for a local church/parish. Is it just me, or am I onto something?
@Dan: With respect, do you really think I'm the ignorant one?
@Johan: Swathes of Americans still have an affinity for religion to an extent that hasn't been seen in Western Europe since the early 18th Century. I am also aware that a significant percentage of American designers are Christian. I sometimes wish that instead of thanking 'god' for their talent they would be more appreciative of their own unique and hard-earned skills.
Anyway, this is not a forum for theological discussion.
@David: I certainly respect your viewpoint; the ignorance to me wasn't your view, but the way it was expressed. If your point was to publicly provide some constructive criticism to Phil, you seem to have missed the "constructive" part. If it was to point out a flaw in the logic of the app, then I'm sure Phil would appreciate a detailed email about it (forgive me if you've already done so), so that he can make more informed decisions from people with different perspectives. However, your hyperbole leads me to believe that you're only interested in making your religious views clear, and don't really care much for the fact that others may find this app useful. Perhaps I'm wrong; I apologize if I'm assuming too much.
If this app was called Wish List and tracked things people want and how they've gotten them, I doubt a thing would have been said about the intent. But introduce a spiritual angle, and the issue becomes much more volatile. People tailor apps to the way they want to use them (e.g. Twitter's @ and RT functionality); if FRVNT adds as much value to those wanting to track their coincidences as those want to track their prayers, is that so bad?
As to not derail anymore from the actual point of this thread, I'd be happy to continue this conversation with you privately. Drop me a line if you're interested. Phil, sorry for the tangent.
@Dan: I apologize for misinterpreting your comment to be claiming I was ignorant for not believing in miracles. I hope that in hindsight, you can understand my response with that interpretation in mind.
In so far as my criticism on the app itself, I stand by my initial impression that it's "lovely" but essentially irrational.
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Phil Coffman
FRVNT launched today as a private beta. Invites will be sent out soon. You can stay up to date by following @frvnt.
It's been great working with Noah Stokes on this. The dude's a beast! (I mean that purely professionally)
about 2 years ago
Awesome. I've been working on a similar project.
about 2 years ago
My wife and I definitely want an invite!
about 2 years ago
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Vin Thomas
Great idea, and awesome design.
about 2 years ago
This is a great and it is awesome to see it online. I can't wait to be apart of this site.
about 2 years ago
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Phil Coffman
Thanks fellas!
@Aaron - Very cool. Would be interested to check it out when it's ready!
about 2 years ago
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Trent Walton
I am in awe of the initial design & functional bits on this site... The faded "FRVNT is invite only" message is excellent.
about 2 years ago
Invite? Please?
about 2 years ago
Yeah, wonderful design, but even cooler idea for an application. Love the name.
I would love an invite too! For anyone who didn't see, the best way for an invite is to follow on Twitter.
about 2 years ago
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David Perel
Yes please.
about 2 years ago
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David
Lovely design.
But seriously, an application that tracks complete coincidences?
about 2 years ago
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Johan Bakken
@David LOL.
Not totally unrelated: I am under the impression that an unusually large percentage of web designers from the U.S. and Canada are Christians who have at one point in their career designed at least one website for a local church/parish. Is it just me, or am I onto something?
about 2 years ago
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Dan Mall
@David Merfield: with all due respect, that's the most ignorant response I've seen in a long time.
about 2 years ago
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Johan Bakken
@Dan: I agree with David.
about 2 years ago
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David
@Dan: With respect, do you really think I'm the ignorant one?
@Johan: Swathes of Americans still have an affinity for religion to an extent that hasn't been seen in Western Europe since the early 18th Century. I am also aware that a significant percentage of American designers are Christian. I sometimes wish that instead of thanking 'god' for their talent they would be more appreciative of their own unique and hard-earned skills.
Anyway, this is not a forum for theological discussion.
about 2 years ago
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Dan Mall
@David: I certainly respect your viewpoint; the ignorance to me wasn't your view, but the way it was expressed. If your point was to publicly provide some constructive criticism to Phil, you seem to have missed the "constructive" part. If it was to point out a flaw in the logic of the app, then I'm sure Phil would appreciate a detailed email about it (forgive me if you've already done so), so that he can make more informed decisions from people with different perspectives. However, your hyperbole leads me to believe that you're only interested in making your religious views clear, and don't really care much for the fact that others may find this app useful. Perhaps I'm wrong; I apologize if I'm assuming too much.
If this app was called Wish List and tracked things people want and how they've gotten them, I doubt a thing would have been said about the intent. But introduce a spiritual angle, and the issue becomes much more volatile. People tailor apps to the way they want to use them (e.g. Twitter's @ and RT functionality); if FRVNT adds as much value to those wanting to track their coincidences as those want to track their prayers, is that so bad?
As to not derail anymore from the actual point of this thread, I'd be happy to continue this conversation with you privately. Drop me a line if you're interested. Phil, sorry for the tangent.
about 2 years ago
Guys this is not a Theoretical Physics discussion. Enjoy the hard work these guys put into this. It looks beautiful, and seems like a fun app.
I mean hey, I am not Christian and still want an invite (hint hint Phil) :)
about 2 years ago
@Dan much respect on that comment. You took the words right out of my mouth.
about 2 years ago
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David
@Dan: I apologize for misinterpreting your comment to be claiming I was ignorant for not believing in miracles. I hope that in hindsight, you can understand my response with that interpretation in mind.
In so far as my criticism on the app itself, I stand by my initial impression that it's "lovely" but essentially irrational.
</theological debate>
<design related discussion>
about 2 years ago
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Dan Mall
@David: Absolutely understood. No harm done whatsoever. Now I gotta get back to playing with my fart sounds app. :)
about 2 years ago
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Phil Coffman
No harm no foul guys.
@Yaron - Hint taken. :)
@Dan - Fart sounds app?!!
about 2 years ago
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Dan Mall
Maybe.
about 2 years ago
Hey all, didn't realize this had gotten to the poplar page on Dribbble. Thx for the love on the app!
about 2 years ago
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Christopher Meeks
The design is excellent. I love the topographic detail on the circles.
about 2 years ago
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Gedy Rivera
Would love an invite. What an awesome app idea. Phil & Noah, you guys rock.
about 2 years ago